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Anyone know what forum is replacing this group?
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Don Burn
2010-09-27 20:08:01 UTC
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Since most news groups have gone already, any idea what forum is
replacing this news group? Hopefully it is a separate forum, and not
one of these lets dump it in with some other subject like they have done
with so many of the groups.

Of course most of the traffic is now on NTDEV at
http://www.osronline.com anyway, but just wondering where this group
will end up.


Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
4***@email.com
2010-09-28 03:44:38 UTC
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any idea what forum is replacing this news group?
The consensus is to move to an open, non-microsoft moderated forum and
so when the time comes we all can continue as usual at the below
group.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.nt.kernel-mode

OSR by the way has its advantages, but is a sub-optimal replacement in
the sense that many topics are considered controversial and thus
banned there. Staying with google groups allows people to discuss
whatever they want and those that aren't interested in a topic can
simply skip over it or go somewhere else. So business as usual.
Don Burn
2010-09-28 11:25:56 UTC
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Sorry, Google groups is not the replacement. That is an older group
that has its own set of problems. I was asking what forum Microsoft
intended to replace this with.


Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
Post by 4***@email.com
any idea what forum is replacing this news group?
The consensus is to move to an open, non-microsoft moderated forum and
so when the time comes we all can continue as usual at the below
group.
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.nt.kernel-mode
OSR by the way has its advantages, but is a sub-optimal replacement in
the sense that many topics are considered controversial and thus
banned there. Staying with google groups allows people to discuss
whatever they want and those that aren't interested in a topic can
simply skip over it or go somewhere else. So business as usual.
PavelA
2010-09-28 14:44:48 UTC
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Post by Don Burn
Sorry, Google groups is not the replacement. That is an older group
that has its own set of problems. I was asking what forum Microsoft
intended to replace this with.
It seems that they are suffering now thru more "disruptive" issues than
this little NG...

http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/why_microsoft_surrendered_spaces.html

http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/27/windows-live-blogging/

Maybe we need to find the maintainers of WHDC
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc) and ask them to settle this question
with the Forums admin.

-- pa
Ali
2010-09-29 16:29:00 UTC
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Post by PavelA
Sorry, Google groups is not the replacement.  That is an older group
that has its own set of problems. I was asking what forum Microsoft
intended to replace this with.
It seems that they are suffering now thru more "disruptive" issues than
this little NG...
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/why_microsoft_surrendered_sp...
http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/27/windows-live-blogging/
Maybe we need to find the maintainers of WHDC
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc) and ask them to settle this question
with the Forums admin.
-- pa
Folks!

Can we just be in typical usenet space? Don't think google thing gonna
work, they are just trying too many things. You don't want to endup
like _wave_ or _buzz_ . OSR is fine but bit confined though.

Lets stick to the old idea of Tim. B. L. and make it open and
accessible.

(Its good to be back)
ali
Scott Noone
2010-09-29 16:35:53 UTC
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Post by Ali
OSR is fine but bit confined though.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?

-scott
--
Scott Noone
Consulting Associate
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
http://www.osronline.com
Post by Ali
Post by PavelA
Post by Don Burn
Sorry, Google groups is not the replacement. That is an older group
that has its own set of problems. I was asking what forum Microsoft
intended to replace this with.
It seems that they are suffering now thru more "disruptive" issues than
this little NG...
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/why_microsoft_surrendered_sp...
http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/27/windows-live-blogging/
Maybe we need to find the maintainers of WHDC
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc) and ask them to settle this question
with the Forums admin.
-- pa
Folks!
Can we just be in typical usenet space? Don't think google thing gonna
work, they are just trying too many things. You don't want to endup
like _wave_ or _buzz_ . OSR is fine but bit confined though.
Lets stick to the old idea of Tim. B. L. and make it open and
accessible.
(Its good to be back)
ali
Ali
2010-09-29 17:22:56 UTC
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Post by Scott Noone
Post by Ali
OSR is fine but bit confined though.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?
-scott
--
Scott Noone
Consulting Associate
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.http://www.osronline.com
Post by Ali
Post by PavelA
Sorry, Google groups is not the replacement.  That is an older group
that has its own set of problems. I was asking what forum Microsoft
intended to replace this with.
It seems that they are suffering now thru more "disruptive" issues than
this little NG...
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/why_microsoft_surrendered_sp...
http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/27/windows-live-blogging/
Maybe we need to find the maintainers of WHDC
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc) and ask them to settle this question
with the Forums admin.
-- pa
Folks!
Can we just be in typical usenet space? Don't think google thing gonna
work, they are just trying too many things. You don't want to endup
like _wave_ or _buzz_ . OSR is fine but bit confined though.
Lets stick to the old idea of Tim. B. L. and make it open and
accessible.
(Its good to be back)
ali
Usenet.

ali
Scott Noone
2010-09-29 17:39:49 UTC
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Post by Ali
Usenet.
ali
I don't know what that means...You mean you want NNTP access? We offer that.

-scott
--
Scott Noone
Consulting Associate
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
http://www.osronline.com
Post by Ali
Post by Scott Noone
Post by Ali
OSR is fine but bit confined though.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?
-scott
--
Scott Noone
Consulting Associate
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.http://www.osronline.com
Post by Ali
Post by PavelA
Post by Don Burn
Sorry, Google groups is not the replacement. That is an older group
that has its own set of problems. I was asking what forum Microsoft
intended to replace this with.
It seems that they are suffering now thru more "disruptive" issues than
this little NG...
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/why_microsoft_surrendered_sp...
http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/27/windows-live-blogging/
Maybe we need to find the maintainers of WHDC
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc) and ask them to settle this question
with the Forums admin.
-- pa
Folks!
Can we just be in typical usenet space? Don't think google thing gonna
work, they are just trying too many things. You don't want to endup
like _wave_ or _buzz_ . OSR is fine but bit confined though.
Lets stick to the old idea of Tim. B. L. and make it open and
accessible.
(Its good to be back)
ali
Usenet.
ali
Don Burn
2010-09-29 17:49:32 UTC
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Your usenet statement on OSR doesn't work, since they do support news.
As far as the google group that was referred to in the earlier email,
this is a usenet group they just gave the google way to access it.

The reason I asked for the forum, is that Microsoft is supposed to
monitor this group, and respond. Though of course since most of the
senior Microsoft developers are on OSR.


Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
Post by Ali
Post by Scott Noone
Post by Ali
OSR is fine but bit confined though.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?
-scott
--
Scott Noone
Consulting Associate
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.http://www.osronline.com
Post by Ali
Post by PavelA
Sorry, Google groups is not the replacement.  That is an older group
that has its own set of problems. I was asking what forum Microsoft
intended to replace this with.
It seems that they are suffering now thru more "disruptive" issues than
this little NG...
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/why_microsoft_surrendered_sp...
http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/27/windows-live-blogging/
Maybe we need to find the maintainers of WHDC
(http://www.microsoft.com/whdc) and ask them to settle this question
with the Forums admin.
-- pa
Folks!
Can we just be in typical usenet space? Don't think google thing gonna
work, they are just trying too many things. You don't want to endup
like _wave_ or _buzz_ . OSR is fine but bit confined though.
Lets stick to the old idea of Tim. B. L. and make it open and
accessible.
(Its good to be back)
ali
Usenet.
ali
RossettoeCioccolato
2010-09-30 14:22:06 UTC
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Don,
The reason I asked for the forum, is that Microsoft is supposed to monitor
this group, and respond. <
They were "supposed to"; however, in my experience MS has never honored that
pledge. Granted, Doron and a few others occasionally provided answers;
however, they were doing so in their spare time and on their own nickel.
You can continue posting here using an alternate news server and you will be
just as likely to get a response from MS as before.

Regards,

Rossetoecioccolato.

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